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PostSubject: Why is the map not played anymore?   Thu 12 May - 23:43

Why is the map not played anymore?

The answer: Warcraft III is dying is not allowed. UA2 and TKOK bots are played.
RC601 is not played a lot anymore. (ZAF and NOTD are not to take in consideration: ZAF is not finished at all, and NOTD-AM is elitist).

I need your opinion. I need to stop to focus on a dying group of players loving the map. You are less than 30 active players on it for one month or more now.

Is it that the map is too hard? To complicated? To ugly? Obi Wan Kenobi?

Do I need to delete a lot of heroes, and to make only experience saved, like in an ORPG?

Please answer. For once, I want global ideas, not pragmatic measures.

I will never have enough time to develop a new map from scratch, so RC601 (current state) might be the base work. Even if that include to develop a 3.x

Now, troll Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 0:01

got bored after 200k for the fact that i need 50k for a new char to play, which will take a long time, so i stopped farming because it just felt like it took to long.

perhaps you should make it more ike undead assault as it is atm (less heroes but faster ranking, or lower the ranks in XP.

edit: the 7-10 avarage FPS is keeping me away from playing to. (it used to be around 20-25 in the older versions.)

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 0:40

Leave TKOK if it's still played and U2. A third bot can sit in channel just to host those maps that players want, they will just need to load them and start. So 3rd bot won't be auto-hosting.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 0:49

Delta-Dude: it's not the topic Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 0:52

Ah.. thought it's about hosted maps in general ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 1:38

For me its more a problem with bots and how many games I can actually get in a day.

Bots not letting me join or bnet wont let me join.

I get 2 or 3 games in a day.

And most games end up with about 500 xp so getting from 50k-60k took over 2 months, Not Fun since you get nothing in between this.


Reason not alot of people play:
Noobs join do something retarded, say the map "SUX MANKEH BOLES!" and never play again.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 1:51

Replayability of your map has reached the limit: after a player has explored X amount of features in a game, "game fatigue" factor increases.

It would be retarded to plot this as a math function or something, but if one tried, it would look like a y = 1/x function. ( x = time played, y = interest in the game)

One of your solutions would be increasing the replayability for both old and new players.
This can be done by having more/better quests
More/better skill variations per hero
Less/Simpler systems that take away game control form the user
More player attachment to his/her character in the game (look at how MMOS like WoW do it)
Improved eye candy
Obiwan fighting sharks with lasers
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 2:04

Damn; would include too much work^^.

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 2:28

I think its because your game is too complicated. Takes too much time to get any good heroes. The fact that i have to get 200k more exp just to reach field medic is ridiculous especially since there are no good players. The game graphics are fine i would suggest a tutorial video or some shit or make the game more simplified i.e. less heroes and maybe add more skills to them. Anyways that's all i can think of now. Back to work for me
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 3:05

jk2pach wrote:
Damn; would include too much work^^.

Yes, there is no easy solution when a game becomes boring to the public, most companies just make a new game.

ex:
(COD4->MW2->BLACKOPS)

You're doing the right thing by listening to the community and trying to give them what they want, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 4:20

Well, back to DotA when I come back I guess.

Was nice playing with all of you!
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 4:49

I'll miss rc601 Sad . And I was almost to 500k. 490,103!
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 6:54

For me its mostly the los fps i have at modern rc, and the Lack of Other good Players to Play with

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 10:34

I never really got the hang of the game. Maybe a bit too complex, but then again it might just be my general antipathy to new maps.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Fri 13 May - 11:56

I think its because the game has too little diversity, too much Rank-grinding and you need to be one of the experienced players to be able to reach the end of the game (or at least have some in the game).

Missions are quite static, not enough surprises or diversity, and the easiest way to win is still CE building base+Mass Summoners+Tank-Hiding.
And since new players cant do anything of that (if they know they can do that), they dont get motivated enough to gather over a million Rank-Points.


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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Mon 16 May - 17:20

omg u have play long time ago....? affraid
CE is no autowin... cyclops
btw on weekend much ppl still play this game... Wink
i ll will miss the funny and nice update... ty< 2 pachio u do soo good work...
u c4reate such a cool game ...... muuuuuuhhhhhha
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Mon 16 May - 22:32

i think it can be becaouse of lags, i dont think im the only player who has lags on rc601. the last version i enyoed to play was around 2.65, then game started to lag so bad that it made it impossible to play for me.
anyway it can be a bit annoying that most classes are made to guys who play this game 24/7 //// i dont think random guys who are not in this clan are used to play like this, for some guys getting 80k in notd takes rlly long what about 500k or more even if it gives a bit more exp a game.

for me the worst problem are lags. thats why i play only ua2/notd this times...what if there are more like me?
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 14:53

Maybe a bit of what I told long time ago Wink

its like a the more xp you have, the more usefull you are. Where is the fun beeing powerless at start ? chronophage si je peut dire Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 15:03

So a final update with lower rank requirement would be good for all of you, right?

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 15:10

I never played it a lot from the start. Ask the others Surprised.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 18:21

Lower rank requirement could be good, but it would be even better if low rank classes keep their value over highrank classes and don't end up being useless.

For example the 3 classes you get to start with in Notd: Am,
Rifleman, Navy Corpsman, Flamethrower (the first 2 also in UA2).

Rifleman can be replaced with MG for better damageoutput, but has its special feature the K-9 Dog when you are Sgt (can be golden when you can micro good) and is one of 2 classes with a selfheal skilloption.
Navy Corpsman is the best when it comes to keeping the squad healthy, because of skills that allow to heal and cure ailments with a 100% chance, while items or skills of other classes (Purge), suffer from reduced chances and higher manacosts.
Flamethrower specializes in close range combat, offers increased team toughness with its aura and the highly valueable option of killing immortals and crepitus for good.

They all have unique abilities and traits, which make them valueable and effective in their own way. The Mos avaiable for higher ranks, are in most cases more complex to play, but don't overlap with the starting classes. The NC despite being a low rank class, is basically a part of every good game, since you can never be sure to end a game with zero hits and zero ailments. Running around with a fracture for 10 minutes is not funny at all.

Also it would be good if the rank requirements for driving certain vehicles would be reduced.
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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 18:54

I agree with wedge. it should be possible to win a map even if you use only "Low-Ranking" heroes.
If you need to grind for hours just to play a particular (and better) hero it becomes a bit boring.

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 19:56

At one time, biologist was THE BEST hero in the game.

If played right, you could solo Project Nexus up to the actual frost wyrm model itself:
Gather explosives (red items) and just tame evolved omicrons - gg.

The game has changed a lot and some classes have been marked down to useless.

If you want my suggestion, make classes like ET (Elite Troop) more valuable by decreasing the mana cost and cooldown of abilities.

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 20:01

It would've been enough to give a "maincast" to the players, like 4-6 standard classes that cover the Zombie-Survival-Basics and offer the other classes for those who like to earn the whole million xp.

But now you NEED to be one of the highranked classes because a team of only SO and Medics cant win the game....

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PostSubject: Re: Why is the map not played anymore?   Tue 17 May - 20:20

either the class are to weak or the game is too hard - many people wanted it to be this way, now some of them want it back.

anyway i agree with you: you should be able to win with low ranked classes ( < 20k for me), but a little decrease in difficulty would also help. the game is that hard right now (and loses some atmosphere) cause you are ALWAYS on the run. you can deal so many damage to kill the zombies, so the amount of zombies is increasing until you killed a project - all zombies die and the increasement start again. many zombies is cool though, but too many takes away the fun. most of the time you dont even have time to open crates cause if you stop running an omicron or whatever hits you. i died often cause drank something and didnt watch the screen for a second.

to compare: notd:am: you can walk around alone but its dangerous, or you stay at base (town or airfield) its less dangerous but easier.

just my thoughts

(just to ask: why do we discuss this? jk inst developing it anymore and i suppose no one will pick up his work...)
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