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PostSubject: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Sat 19 Feb - 22:06

"Perfection is reached once you can no longer remove anything without destroying it."

Since jk is fighting for each kb in the map in order to get room for new stuff (so you guys can suggest to add even more...) I decided to open a Thread where you can discuss the things you would like to get rid of. Whatever you would like to see disappearing in the next Version, post it here!

This is just a discussion, and maybe jk can use it to remove the one or other thing you dislike. You can argue why something should stay and why not.




Let me start with the following:
-The submarines
-The Bridges from "A Bridge too Far" (Reason is here)
-The exploded car/busses
-The different kinds of Containers at the Barracks


The submarines should be gone, because they're nothing but "Eye-Candy" which no one has time to admire because they have to shoot zombies. Maybe if there was a mission where you have to secure the Docks, escort Scientists from the Main Entrance to the Docks, Defend the Scientists/Docks until the Submarine arrives and defend the Submarine while the Scientists enter, there would be a reason to keep it. But at the moment I'd say "Be gone!".
The Bridges should be removed if the Suggestion for "A Bridge too far" gets accepted, but more about that in the thread (Link above).
The exploded cars and busses, because even though they add a little to the atmosphere, I find it unlikely that there are only crashed cars in the RC. If you could find a normal car somehwere ok. But at the moment it seems to me like every person who owned/drove a car crashed it once Dr.Frank unleashed his Zombies.
They add athmosphere, but I think we wouldn't miss them a lot if they were gone.

Last point, the containers. It looks like there's a Team-Color Container available, why not copy the TC-Container and manually set the Teamcolor? You use only 1 model and get 12 differently colored Containers. And they look better then some of the current ones^^

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Sat 19 Feb - 22:19

Submarines - Comical and help in Assault, when you're not TC abusing the mode.

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I'd like to see Inferno removed from the game.
I'm sure it takes a bit of space and it's not that purposeful. It's just a more buffed Frozen Sword (now, after all the buffs given to it).
Apparently it's too weak according to some, anyway.

Not sure how much the bus stops are taking up, but if they're a tad much maybe replace them with a much smaller kb version.
Reason: They do nothing?

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Sun 20 Feb - 0:52

could change wrath skin, its just for 1 unit.

i know its a kewl skin and shiz, but cool skins come with a cost Razz

and its just for 1 spawned unit, and 1 mission. i think you could replace it with smting else

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some heroes which are not played a lot could be removed (this used to be an older topic) like Icebat (imo,) Psy-Ops (imo) all those classes are like ''il play them once or twice and never touch em again after'' could probably just save some KB on it.

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Sun 20 Feb - 1:22

wizzitje wrote:
could change wrath skin, its just for 1 unit.

i know its a kewl skin and shiz, but cool skins come with a cost Razz

and its just for 1 spawned unit, and 1 mission. i think you could replace it with smting else

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some heroes which are not played a lot could be removed (this used to be an older topic) like Icebat (imo,) Psy-Ops (imo) all those classes are like ''il play them once or twice and never touch em again after'' could probably just save some KB on it.

Wrath skin is also used for the crashed Air Walker debris, which have been in the game for a long time.
If he got rid of the cool skin, no one would play Experimental Soldier...ever

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Sun 20 Feb - 1:42

Then he should add more instances where the Wrath appears. Maybe as a "Evolved Creep" Version for the Hostile Thanathos Industries.
The debris? I only noticed them once or twice, and afterwards I ignored it. No big loss in my opinion.

And I meant the BUS. Not the Bus stop (but its still a good point... a bus stop on the only route to a more or less Secret Research facility where thy experiment with god knows what kinds of stuff? Sure...). I mean the broken down busses you can find at the side of the road. Some people think they add athmosphere, but its kinda hard to see them, dark-grey as they are in our foggy, black RC-World.

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Sun 20 Feb - 7:02

Wrath has had a few problems with it's model which could probably be fixed to free up a few KiloBytes a few main things I've seen are:
A: The engine exhaust is WAY too big for the size that thing is idc for what reason it needs the exhaust that could push a beef at a decent speed change it to something smaller and you get a tiny amount of space(suggest removing the 'second' blast if no one knows what im talking about ill clarify)
B: For some reason it has a box-drag selection area atleast twice as big as it going backwards(might be model but it could save some space)
C: Gun fires whenever it starts moving(tiny amount of space telling it to do that)
Also merging the 2 Auto-guns on the front and putting them on the bottom/removing them all together would also save some space.

Also if someones unsure of wtf im talking about here ill edit it to make more sense.



Useless stuff:
The nuclear reactor model seems quite big im pretty sure you could find one that is smaller and doesnt look like the guys who built the town were trying to murder everyone in the sector...(that reactor is big enough to explode and irradiate a fuckload of people[look up Chernobyl and how far that thing reached]).
The Tanker trucks which are suppose to do 10k damage app-on death dont not that I want them to but atm they are just shittier transport trucks.
The artillery model(forget what its used for) has a good alternative i forget where it was but ive seen a good model that could replace it.
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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Sun 20 Feb - 15:35

You have to remember that jk doesnt own the Model of the Wrath:

Most Modellers dont want anyone to modify their Creations without their agrement. And "size of model" != "Size of model in kb". I think the reactor is pretty low-poly and therefore has a low filesize. Besides, what could replace it? Beefed up versions of jks own reactors?

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Mon 21 Feb - 2:05

Namorax wrote:
You have to remember that jk doesnt own the Model of the Wrath:

Most Modellers dont want anyone to modify their Creations without their agrement. And "size of model" != "Size of model in kb". I think the reactor is pretty low-poly and therefore has a low filesize. Besides, what could replace it? Beefed up versions of jks own reactors?

Yes I know most Modellers dont like people fucking with their Creations I was thinking he would ask and ether get the owner of the model to apply the changes or if he's allowed change it himself.

And please dont talk to me like I'm retarded I know what "Size of model" means(I get very offended when people do this[EG: *me* "I cant use lobby name to join a game" *person* "Oh its simple do /whois 'botname' see arnt I helpful?" *me* "No, no your not your just being annoying I know what to do to GET the lobby name I cant USE it"]< This happens almost every time I tell someone I cant join their bot hosted game).

Reactor could be replaced with a one tower reactor instead of a three tower reactor even if all it is, is cutting a tower off the original model and using that with what ever building parts are for controlling it(not saying do this but it is an idea) would drop the model size to about a 1/3 of size it is now.

EDIT: I may have been a dick in the second section of this but its a real easy way to piss me off by assuming I dont know something that were talking about.
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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Mon 21 Feb - 2:42

Duly Noted, sorry.

If you're sure you didnt type the wrong name (sometimes I try to join "Zombie Survival #XYZ"... and get angry until I notice the error. Happens sometimes to me^^) , and you're sure its not because the game is full... maybe your IP was banned?

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Mon 21 Feb - 3:51

Trust me reason ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY&Z is not whats wrong two things happen:
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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Tue 22 Feb - 22:19

the walls near the Bunker Down (wrath) quests, they are just big ''walk-on'' walls, you cant even walk on them. i guess replacing them with something like the walls @ mechwalker factory could do to. (cleans up 1 skin)

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Tue 22 Feb - 23:43

Not "Skin", they're a seperate Model. I think it would be nice if we could walk on them though...

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 0:37

as pach is fighting for his MB, remove it in stead of further configging it imo.

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 2:36

Making it walkable is a simple matter of adding a Pathing. If I find some time, maybe I try to create one.
All he has to do then will be Importing and Changing "walkable" to True.

But I'm giving RC089 priority^^

(I know from experience how long creating a proper Pathing takes... I made the Hangar (the one west of the town) walkable and created a pathing which allows you to use the doors. took me 20-30mins. For one building^^)

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 3:43

how much space are the monkeh and cage cmds taking up? Honestly I've used them once every 9+ games.

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 5:06

vV_O wrote:
how much space are the monkeh and cage cmds taking up? Honestly I've used them once every 9+ games.
you're only allowed to use them with me and pach in the game!
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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 5:07

On second thought, can we take monkeh out of the game? How much does he take up?

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 5:15

vV_O wrote:
On second thought, can we take monkeh out of the game? How much does he take up?

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 15:36

Mh ... nice idea, vV_0 ... pach should think about it Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Whats the Most useless "Whatever" in your Opinion?   Wed 23 Feb - 15:36

Mh ... nice idea, vV_0 ... pach should think about it Smile

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